An interview with an unlikely CFO. Martha B. and Caroline M. take the reins to chat with a faith-based leader, Lisa Zeeveld, CFO of Belay Solutions, a hip virtual-assistant, virtually-run company.
The Urban Islands Project in conjunction with NextWave.community posed a question to us. “How do you plant an iWork4Him church?” “How do you do this in an urban environment?” We tackled these questions and more as we spoke to the NextWave.community about iWork4Him and how a church focused on work and the value of work can transform a community by meeting the needs of the community before you start inviting people to church. Enjoy the challenges we offered in this conversation. If you are a pastor of a local church, some of these conversations may cause you to look at things differently. Be warned. Its always fun to see what God is doing all over the country and this group of church planting pastors is a dynamic group trying to meet the needs of rural communities and urban communities.
Our theme for the month is Reinventing Church Funding. In preparation for our interview, I’m posting a article entitled “Lean Staff, Robust Mission.” The point of the article is to help our audience of church leaders expand their imagination concerning the purpose of the people they lead. We want to help them shift from seeing congregants primarily as volunteers for staffing church programs to viewing them as activated disciple makers serving Jesus where ever they go. I believe your core message is in perfect alignment with this shift in thinking.
- Tell us about your family
- 3 kids – all married – 6 grandkids – all over the country, MN, MO, Northern Fl.
- Tell us about your experience with the Church
- Both of us grew up in the church
- Both committed our lives to full-time Christian ministry at 13
- Both had an entrepreneurial call on our lives
- Tried to enroll in seminary and twice the Sr. Pastor of our church came and said – Church leadership is not a good fit, we need more “Lay” ministers
- Lived our lives as entrepreneurs having been told “church is church and business is business – they have nothing to do with each other” and “business is a necessary evil” – did those pastors know Jesus was a business guy??? Did they ever read the bible?
- Tell us about your podcast
- iWork4Him is a show dedicated to unlocking God’s purpose for Christ Followers in their work. We highlight workplaces faith testimonies, great written resources and ministries that are actively involved in discipling workplace believers at all levels of an organization.
- 8 years running
- 1800 shows
- 3000 guests
- Daily 1 minute all over the nation
- Weekly podcasts
- You have said (something like) the most underutilized missionary resource of the Church are the church members themselves. Talk to us about what you mean by that?
- What I said is this, churches are designed around what pastors have been taught in seminary. Build a little kingdom and get lots of subjects. The bible talks about the church as a manufacturing plant. Everything produced is useless unless it is put into production. NO WHERE does it say in the scriptures that ONE person has everything the Holy Spirit has to say for the week. Pastors rarely know lost people. Workplace believers are surrounded by them – we need to send them on mission.
- What are some healthy ways that church leaders can interact with high capacity parishioners?
- Love them
- Live life with them
- Earn their trust and admiration
- Invite them into your life
- Let the Lord lead them to give you money.
- They are tired of being asked all the time. They want to invest not only their money, they want a place to invest their money where they are wanted for what’s in their life too.
- If you were starting a church from scratch, what habits would you build into the rhythm of the church?
- Throw all the old ideas away
- Stop thinking of church being on Sunday and realize that The Church is in action all 7 days a week
- Stop thinking a building is the central focus and realize it is a tool and often an ostracizing one at that
- Love on your community – learn about it, what it needs, work to meet those needs, then share Jesus in action – The local church needs to be seen as the solver of community problems through the power and provision of God – not the government.
- Understand that your role as pastor is not leader, it is chief servant. Your role is not central to the life of those who go to your church – Jesus is and His Holy Spirit
- Have a manufacturing plant mentality – don’t know what that is? Go work at one for a month
- Help each person that you touch to see an attribute of God at work, in their work – Jon Van Sloten – Every Job a parable book
- Study your bible from an MBA perspective not an MDIV perspective – lots of business, government, politics, education, etc. going on there.
- Share the podium each week with others who are seeing the amazing hand of God in their lives – don’t be afraid if they say the wrong words, if God is working, everyone needs to hear about it.
- Forget office hours. Work the streets. Go see everyone who goes to your “church” in their work. Stop expecting everyone to come to you – go to them – let them know you love their work and see God’s hand of blessing on it.
- Other questions
- What ministries have resources we can take advantage of?
- Who else is doing what we are doing?
- How can I make sure I am not wasting Kingdom Resources when I am starting my urban ministry.
A business as ministry by cleaning offices. Tune in to hear Office Pride owner, Todd Hopkins, introduce us to franchisees, Dre & Karie Truitt, whose story will make you laugh and truly consider how you can build the Kingdom with your business.
Its fun to share about the exciting things God has asked Martha and I to do with iWork4Him over the years. With this year rolling out two new podcasts – iRetire4Him and sheWorks4Him as well as the new www.AwakenPodcastNetwork.com. In addition, we will be rolling out 3 new books, our first ever, all in the names of our podcasts – iWork4Him, iRetire4Him and sheWorks4Him. Mike Henry host of the Follower of One podcast found on the www.AwakenPodcastNetwork.com wanted us to tell his audience what was going on with iWork4Him and then we turned the tables on Mike and talked to him about his Marketplace Missions Trips and his Marketplace Missions Trip in a Box. It’s a great conversation with one of the many collaborators from within the Faith and Work Movement.
Mike Henry is the real deal. God allowed us to meet Mike several years ago when we all just started being obedient to discover our purpose in the Faith and Work movement. His genuine desire for collaboration keeps us coming back for more. Have you ever gone on a short term mission trip, raised your funds, prepare for the travel, have an amazing time serving and come back home changed? This is a wonderful experience and we encourage everyone to do it at least once. What we fail to realize is that our workplace is a mission field we can prepare to visit every day! Listen to our conversation as we talk with Mike Henry from Follower of One about his aha moment about his mission field and now 100s of Christ-followers have gone on missions trips to their work. God can use each of us every day in our fully funded mission.
Follower of One and Marketplace Missions Trips
Is your perspective tainted? Hear the story of one leader – Tom Harper, CEO of Networld Media Group – who learned from finding the trees in the forest as he shares from his latest book, “Through Colored Glasses”.
You could call him my mentor, but he never knew my name for the first 8 years he was mentoring me. You could call him one of the founding Fathers of the Faith and Work Movement, but he would tell you there were many more that came before him. You could call many things, but Martha and I have grown fond of calling him friend. Os Hillman with MarketplaceLeaders.org is just one of 125 collaborators on www.AwakenPodcastNetwork.com. He was so excited about this demonstration of collaboration within the Faith and Work Movement that he interviewed us to find out all about the history of where the www.AwakenPodcastNetwork.com came from and what we plan on doing with it. Enjoy the conversation between the three of us.
It’s not often that Jim and Martha Brangenberg are asked to share their story. God is moving in unique ways, and after being entrepreneurs and running their businesses, God directed them to start iWork4Him. Collaboration has always been a core value for the Brangenbergs, and recently God gave them the idea to put that into practice. In 2013 when iWork4Him first hit the radio waves, there were not many other talk shows around Faith and Work. Now, many years later, through the growth of podcasting, there are literally hundreds of Christ-followers that are sharing their stories, encouraging listeners, and proclaiming the gospel through podcasts. These podcasts can be found if you know the Host personally, are aware of their work or ministry, or through a random search in the podcast apps. Where can you go to find an assortment of podcasts that might help the listener in their specific line of work? Where can you go to peruse the variety of voices speaking about faith and work? Until now, this hasn’t been possible.
Announcing the launch of the Awaken Podcast Network. A gathering place of over 100 different podcast voices within the Faith and Work Movement, so you can quickly find a voice or two that challenge and teach you regularly.
APN is designed to help you unlock God’s unique purpose for you at work.
This one place can supply you with encouragement, challenge, wisdom, and guidance for today and every workday. You are a workplace missionary, and you have a workplace ministry.
Sit back and enjoy the conversation between Os Hillman and Jim and Martha Brangenberg and then visit the Awaken Podcast Network to find a voice that will inspire and equip you to vibrantly live out your faith at work today!
Everyday generosity? Every day! HOW? Easy? – well, maybe not that easy, but worth it – it takes God-led, intentional movement and processes. Hear how from a father-son duo, Drew and Brad Formsma.
When I was a kid, men were men, and boys were boys, and we were good with that. Men defended the honor of women and fought the wars, and they were respected as bosses and fathers. Then the cancel culture kicked in. In the name of Women’s liberation, they demeaned, de-masculated, and canceled men so that they are portrayed as idiots, sex starved, and singularly minded on TV. Now, hear me when I say this. Women did need to be raised up in our country and our churches. They still need to be raised up to equal status in over 100 countries around the world. That is not the point of this. We needed to teach men to be Godly men without telling them that their testosterone was wrong. Where is the church in all this? Sixty years later, where are all the men in the church. Men are addicted to pornography, and men are leaving their wives for the pipe dream in the cubicle next door. Where are men learning and being mentored and discipled by other men to be the kind of Man that God wants them to be? Where do men go to learn this? I found just the place. A place where men can hear from men about struggles and victories both at home and at work. Real men with real stories with God as the central character. That’s my kind of action. Blake Mattocks is passionate about men being Godly men. So passionate that he started www.365Christianmen.com, and he is here to tell us about it. Don’t disconnect just because you aren’t a man.
Blake Mattocks was angry. He decided to join the Marines at age 18 in hopes that he could blow things up and not get in trouble. Blake shares his journey through the military, back home when his mom dies, and then eventually in Bible college and as a pastor. In 2018 Blake admittedly blew up his relational world and vocational world with an emotional affair. He and his wife fought to save their marriage and decided to stay in their church.
A leader approached him in his church with a vision of 365 Christian Men. The vision was to use stories to inspire men to dig deeper, seek more intently, and be the man God called them to be. The daily videos show men how to have honor, what a role model looks like – even if they’ve done right or wrong, and teach life lessons. Their tagline is “Inspirational Stories of real men”. Each story contains four key elements.
1. Every story contains a scripture that relates to and is relevant to the story.
2. Each story must be about a Christ follower or a conversion to Christ story
3. What we call a timeless truth. It is a statement or an inspiring quote that is short, memorable and challenging.
4. An application
Blake shared about Dr. James Dobson’s video where he shares a story of someone finding his high school tennis trophies in a dumpster and the lessons that can be learned from that. Other videos have lessons of forgiveness or integrity. There are videos by personalities like LeCrae and everyday people too.
Look on their website for all kinds of resources at www.365christianmen.com . We are giving away a copy of LeCrae’s audio book by calling our listener line at 866-713-9675.
The foundational verse for 365 Christian Men is Heb 12:1. We want to bring attention to what God has done and is doing in the lives of people. It is the power of story.
In the future there will also be resources for another year of content for Christian Men as well as a year for Christian Women.
Who’s turning Sunday’s inspiration into Monday’s perspiration? Get a taste of how Kingdom Way Ministries is “Making Work and Ministry One” and hear from a slew of workplace missionaries of all shapes and sizes.